Baran Serhad: “We are the communist component of Rojava revolution”
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Here, we present an interview with Baran Serhad, a representative of MLCP, in which we talk about topics such as the purpose of MLCP's presence in Rojava, its programmatic and strategic perspectives in regard to the Rojava revolution, its position within Rojava's military front, contributions that the MLCP brings to the women’s liberation struggle, and MLCP's political and organizational work within the revolution.

Would you briefly summarize for us again how the MLCP sees the Rojava revolution with respect to its programmatic and strategic understanding and what are the aims of its participation to the revolution?

In summary, I can say that from the beginning of its formation, MLCP stands as a party which embraces the Bakur (North) Kurdistan revolution, holds it in a crucial place in its strategy. It is a party which states that the country of Kurdistan has been colonized by imperialists and regional reactionary states; by defending this righteous cause and demands, it struggles for realizing them. From this angle, MLCP is from Kurdistan. Thus, our Kurdish peoples' liberation struggle based on “the right of self-determination and founding own state” is one of the priorities of the MLCP. In our Third Congress held in Spring 2002, in the political atmosphere of that period, our party re-emphasized the rightfulness of the liberation struggles going on within the four parts of colonized Kurdistan. Correspondingly, our party included “the unification right of Kurdistan's parts” in its program. In the same congress, “the understanding of creating democratic or socialist federations of Balkan, Caucasian and Middle Eastern people” was also added to the program. The party emphasized the necessity of regional revolutions, and for this, the necessity of having regional alliances, coordination, and united forces.

This is an important decision since it indicates a widening in the horizon and the opportunities of revolution. With this in mind, we started to consider many areas, from Balkans to the Caucuses and Middle East, more differently than before, tried to build connections with their existing struggles and considered the revolutionary potential of those lands on a different basis. Our Fourth Congress consolidated the parties’ will to apply these perspectives in a practical way and took various steps towards it.

When the Rojava revolution broke out, our party succeeded in adapting itself quickly by virtue of both its being a Kurdistan force and perspective of regional revolutions. Our initial forces reached to the area by August 2012, only days after the 19th of July, the date recorded as the beginning of the Rojava revolution. This was no accident: it reflects the commitment that we have to the region, especially to Kurdistan and every issue of the region is also in the agenda of our party.

What things do you think are the unique contributions that your party brought to the Rojava revolution? In other words, to which problems in the revolution's development has MLCP brought solutions, thereby gained its right to exist in Rojava?

Our party gained its right to exist in Rojava of course by joining the revolution, by defending and struggling to ensure its victory, by giving martyrs for this cause. It gained not by cheering from a distance or standing in a supportive position; even though with its limited numbers, by taking its parts in the ranks of struggle with its militants. Our very precious comrades wounded or became martyrs in the defense and development fronts of revolution. With a series of martyrs starting with Serkan Tosun and growing with Sevda Çağdaş (Raperîn Dîcle); with the flag they raised and blood they shed of comrades Coşkun İnce (Tekoşer Kurdistan) and Sinan Sağır (Suphî Garzan) whose body we still can't find; and with our wounded comrades, whose numbers are 3 times more than those martyred so far, we gained our right to exist. What makes our presence belongs to here is the martyrs whose bloods mixed together and the struggle comradeship of our fighters, who have been fighting day and night at the fronts of Serêkaniyê, Kobanê, Til Temir, Alya, Siluk, Minbic and Raqqa. With this opportunity, I would like to commemorate all our fallen comrades with respect, loyalty and promise to make their dreams come true. They continue to be our reason for fighting and lead the way in our struggle.

In regard to the other aspect of your question, I can state these: in the early days of the revolution, we led our forces here with the idea of “every long march starts with a single step”. During the process, a certain level of quality and quantity came along after these first steps.

When our forces reached to the area, the revolution had already been begun, but still was in its very early stages. There was neither the YPG/YPGJ nor the Asayiş (the popular police of Rojava). Common works upheld in strong comradeship spirit side by side with Kurdish liberation movement vanguarding the revolution, were executed clandestinely except for limited fields. By quickly taking on revolutionary duties, our forces had a role in solving the problems of their fields of duty. They put effort to gather the daughters and sons of our people, who had not yet not been involved in the revolution, to join it. These recruits were organized in the newly established brigades and other civil institutions afterwards.

Social duties in the fields of health and public security accompanied our military work. And shortly after, the women’s liberation struggle, media and commune building were added on these.

Our presence here led both the entire forces of our party and the other revolutionary organizations from Turkey to focus their attention on Rojava. Through the efforts and the actual presence of our party, various Marxist and progressive forces from world started to embrace Rojava revolution more than ever before.

Without a doubt, it was the Kobanê resistance that planted the Rojava revolution into the heart of the whole world, and turned it into a beacon of solidarity and hope. Just like the slogan, “from Arin to Sibel, we march to the victory!” which our comrades chant proudly, the barbarian ISIS gangs were defeated in Kobanê owing to the martyrs and the massive valours. Kobanê was already marching its own victory when some of the imperialist states brought military aid so as to share the victory. Despite all his prayers, that who knows how many times a day he is busy with, the conspiratorial attacks organized by the fascist Tayyip Erdoğan were fought off and Kobanê didn't fall. His hysterical dream of “it is about to fall!” didn't come true. This victory declared to the peoples of the world both the level of motivation of people from Kurdistan and the ideological victory of honor and freedom struggle with the power of solidarity. ISIS and the Turkish state, Erdoğan's AKP in particular, along with the other regional reactionary states who were supporting him were defeated. This is also the name of the process which ISIS began to retreat.

What I mean is along with defending, advancing and expanding the revolution on the ground, our party's presence here made an important contribution to Rojava's visibility and popularity on the world stage. It helped to attract the attention of laborers' left, progressives and internationalists. Of course, because Rojava stands like a green oasis inside the realm of petro-dollar brutality and a political wasteland, the revolution was already showing itself off. The shine of YPG/YPJ against the darkness of ISIS is what we are talking about. Ours is a modest contribution, we would say. It is bringing the smiling faces of our comrades Sibel and Sevda next to Arin's, or the ones of Sinan and Mazlum alongside Diyar Bagok's. It is precious, historical and one of the most important values that makes us who we are.

Hereby, I would like to mention Şehid Ivana, our Avaşin, since she became one of the symbols of the revolution internationally. She made a significant contribution to the revolution with regard to attracting the attention of everyone; international comrades in particular, but also the mainstream media as well, and thus made it seen in the world press. As a warm-hearted guerrilla, she drew the attention of many socialists and progressive peoples from Europe and around world, to come and join to the struggle. Again in the same period, we developed our relations with many European progressive organizations, such as groups from Switzerland, Germany, Greece, Spain etc. and they played their role within their countries by being the friends and comrades of our revolution.

As last words on this issue, I can add: due to the fact that the revolution had considerably succeeded in Rojava, our forces also increased their focus on the social organization aside from just the field of defense. On this basis, we have been giving support and working to expand the campaigns of “Ez Naçim” (“I don't leave”) and “Komünlerde Örgütlen, Federasyona Sahip Çık” (“Organize in Communes, Protect/Embrace the Federation”). Likewise, against the ENKS-like reactionary forces, which aim to hit the revolution from inside, we carry out ideological and political works by enlightening our peoples and organizing them in the revolutionary institutions.

How do you evaluate recent operations that your party were involved in? In which attacks with what kind of approaches have you participated so far? What are the purposes of those attacks with respect to the development of Rojava revolution? Do you participate in all attacks or do you have particular priorities?

In the beginning stages of the revolution, our forces belonged to different battalions and quarters in which they were participating in both the attacks and the establishment processes of revolution. In that sense, we had been in the attacks and operations of Til Hemis, Cez’a, Serekani, Til Koçer, Girê Ziro, Tirbespiyê, Hasekê, Til Temir, Amûdê, Ebu Rasin, Mebruka. Likewise, we played a part in the first supporting squads that reached to Şengal right after ISIS had invaded carried out a massacre there. Later on, we announced the formation of our Şehit Serkan Battalion, having the name of our first martyred comrade in Rojava. Since then, we have been participating in attacks as part of this battalion. A short time after Şehit Serkan Battalion, we established the International Freedom Battalion (IFB) with the participations of organizations from Turkey and Europe, such as TKP-ML, BÖG, and MLSPB-DC from Turkey, RC* from Spain, and revolutionaries from Greece. Right after its establishment, IFB participated to Siluk-Girê Sipî attack. There, our comrade Halil Aksakal (Mazlum Aktaş) was martyred. In that attack, our trench comrades from BÖG and MLSPB-DC fell martyrs, joined to our immortals. I would like to commemorate them with respect, in the names of comrades Alper, Cemre and Doğan.

(* TKP-ML: Communist Party of Turkey-Marxist-Leninist, BÖG: United Freedom Forces, MLSPB-DC: Marxist-Leninist Armed Propaganda Units-Revolution Front, RC: Revolutionary Construction )

As the Şehid Serkan Battalion and the IFB, we participated in almost all the operations in the cantons of Cizîrê and Kobanê. The IFB is a mobile battalion, so apart from some short periods, its always at the fronts. Şehid Serkan Battalion, on the other hand, takes part in the attacks sometimes as teams, other times as squads, rather than as a full battalion.

What concerns the Rojava revolution, also concerns to us. Therefore, we have been and continue to be in the attacks and operations of Hol, Minbic or Raqqa. Our perspective is this: With our communist and Kurdish identity, we count the Rojava revolution as our revolution. For this reason, we care about all attacks with the purpose of securing the revolution. In that sense, when we joined to Minbic fight, where we sent our comrade Raperîn to immortality, we were doing it for the sake of securing the revolution through uniting our cantons. In that attack, 4 of our comrades – 2 of them seriously- were wounded. But through liberating Minbic, a strategically important foothold was gained.

Today, if we speak about the invasion of Cerablus by the fascist Turkish state, the main reason behind this is quite obvious: to block the way of our revolution moving towards Efrîn from Minbic, to stop the progress of our revolution. They don't want us to unite our cantons and end the division of Rojava that was splintered through the politics of colonialists under the name of the Arabic Belt. They seemed to succeed in this for now in the exchange of tens of Turkish soldiers' life, but this is temporary. Tayyip Erdoğan has already started to prepare for running away from Al Bab. From Cerablus to Bab, the Turkish state is at standstill and this situation points the way for new developments.

Because of our regional revolution perspective, we are also taking our part in the attack liberating Raqqa, which was captured by ISIS and transformed into its main base. Those are Arabic lands and yes, there are a range of duties that falls to Rojava revolution for building a more democratic and libertarian life in Syria together with Arab workers. As one of the components of the revolution, we act in accordance to this role.

We can say that, while the attacks continue to secure, improve and expand the revolution, the regions on the other hand are becoming stronger both in ideological and military sense. These attacks are also an opportunity to acquire significant experience and trench comradeship.

In these lands, where historical prejudices and bigotry continue to exist, they develop the fraternity, and the consciousness of living together of peoples like Kurdish-Arabic-Suryani. They help to clean off the dirt and the rust of colonialism, feudalism and capitalism. Likewise, in this patriarchal Middle Eastern land, via the YPJ's woman warriors and commanders, they stage a new kind of will that one by one breaks up the ingrained ideas which claim war, braveness, arms, etc. are particular to men alone. They bring an ideologically fresh breath to these lands and with the wind siding with women, the dirty and dark atmosphere of this period of history is being swept away. This is a new and very precious situation for the Arabic lands.

Although your military presence is more visible, we see that you carry out political works and campaigns amongst the masses in Rojava. What do you aim at in your political mass work? And in addition to this, as communists from Kurdistan, what are your organizational perspectives within Rojava Kurdistan?

Our party has a Rojava organization It is an organization resulted from our being a Kurdish party and working on Rojava basis but directly dependent on MLCP/Kurdistan organization. Following our party line's acceptance as a right and also as a duty of ours to get organized within all four parts of Kurdistan colonized and splintered by imperialists and colonialists, and to empower the liberation struggle in these parts with a socialist-patriotic perspective. Considering the developments in Rojava, our Fifth Congress took various decisions regarding expanding our organizing efforts in Kurdistan. By considering the needs and opportunities of the revolution happening in Rojava, the Congress determined some political and organizational duties.

Most of our work here covers the defensive duties, however we politically organize both within the revolution's institutions and masses. One of our primary goals is defending the revolution, deepening the revolutionary process and elevating the revolutionary consciousness of the masses here. It is true, what is happening in Rojava is a revolution, but it is not completed in all senses. Rojava is surrounded by imperialists, regional reactionary states, as well as the parties and organizations following KDP's bourgeois and collaborationist political line. The masses are bound to be wary and their confidence suppressed by poverty, explosions and embargoes. The need to make people embrace the revolution further and to improve their sense of belonging, determines the duties of our party.

Sometimes it is not understood well enough but Rojava is under a total siege. One side is besieged by Turkish state with walls, barbed wire, soldiers and tanks. On the other sides, there are ISIS and the other collaborator of Turkey, the Barzani forces, who are trying to 'discipline' us with hunger and poverty by closing Sêmelka, the only border gate to Iraq. Apart from Efrîn, no border relation is left with the Syrian regime. Up to now the regime hasn’t managed to restrain the revolution, yet as they are our historical colonialists with their mentality shaped by Arab nationalism, we can assume that they will try to strangle the revolution at the first opportunity they have.

Under such a siege, it is crucial for the revolution to gain people politically and ideologically. Thus, we give priority and support to the campaigns of “Ez Naçim” and “Di Komînan de xwe Rêxistin Bike, Ji Fîderasyonê Xwedî Derkeve” (“Organize in Communes, Protect/Embrace the Federation”). Through those campaigns, we develop an attitude against the migration politics to Europe, branded as “journey to hope” for totally ideological purposes, and instead state that ‘in Rojava there is hope’. Moreover, together with our friends coming to join the revolution from Europe, we reveal the imperialist lies to our peoples.

The socialist patriotic manner is a very genuine characteristic of our party. That is to say, we see ourselves as the communist component of the revolution, vanguards of the socialist struggle. We are trying to integrate our national democratic liberation struggle with a socialist perspective. According to our viewpoint, the Rojava revolution needs to be integrated with socialism and we make propaganda of this thought together with embracing the existing revolution. Because we think that liberation of the whole region can be possible through socialism. In every field that we carry out our struggle, we try to lay a foundation for this perspective to be actualized. Socialism or socialist patriotism is not a self-evident character. It requires a position with a socialist patriotic perspective on the side of laborers, workers, women and those of the oppressed and poor. It requires building up alliances to realize your perspective as well as organizing the basic forces of the revolution along the way to achieve the consciousness of this perspective. This is what we're trying to do, as much as we can.

The political and organizational ways of these lands just don't fit with the ones of Turkey, not even with North Kurdistan. Therefore, the norms for here need to be different than the ones for those. Here in Rojava, we can talk about quite distinctive aspects. Before anything else, we are organizing within the revolution; as we are part of it, we are trying to make the movement more socialist. But before all this, this revolution needs to be secured, that is, all those risks that I have just mentioned have to be eliminated. This cannot be done by ranting from outside, well, more specifically, from computer screens, but instead by actually joining the revolution, through shedding blood for the cause. This is the only way for your words and commitment to be seen and to carry a weight with our peoples. What lays behind the respectability of our party among these lands is our effort to have this commitment.

It is known that you have set up your second battalion in Rojava. What is the mission of Şehit Sarya Battalion?

Şehit Sarya Battalion, which had actually already been functioning but was only publicly announced on 12th December, the date our comrade Sibel Bulut (Sarya Özgür) immortalized, is an academy for women soldiers. In this battalion, new warriors coming from both outside and from different parts of Rojava to receive military and ideological training. With this battalion, we also aim to provide a mean for young Kurdish, Arabic, Suryani women from Rojava to join and defend the revolution. Within YPG system, but uniquely organized battalion has trained so far the youth who wants to defend the revolution, to improve themselves militarily and ideologically, the internationalist fighters and young women from Rojava as our party relations. From now on, we aim to continue this work with new local and general attendances.

What about the International Freedom Battalion? What are your expectations from it for the future?

The International Freedom Battalion is an important part of this revolution. During early 2017, it has been attacked by ISIS three times, but just as they had written in huge letters on the ramparts of the school they used as a base: “NO PASARAN”, these gangs could not pass. I mentioned the founding components before; right now, the battalion consists of the forces from BÖG, TİKKO and MLCP, together with the international soldiers from different countries. With the revolutionary practice that it has put forth in several attacks, with its martyrs and wounded comrades, the battalion gained a respected place in the area. During an attack which happened on the 9th of January, the battalion inflicted a heavy blow to ISIS gangs. Sixteen bodies of the gangs were counted after a fight inside the same building. Comrade Doğan Kırefe from BÖG was martyred and two of our party's soldiers were wounded. The gangs received the severest blow in that area and therefore now with new ambushes, they are trying to invigorate their forces. However, we keep on saying “no pasaran”!

We want the IFB to be a window of the Rojava revolution through the whole world. Such a battalion, which consists of women and men from various nations, would definitely give strong messages to the people of the world. Until now, the participation to the battalion in terms of quantity, has not met our expectations. I regret to say, but in this aspect, the world's leftist and socialist movements fell well behind the ISIS gangs, despite the fact that this is a revolution which aims to develop an egalitarian and libertarian relationship among peoples without being stuck in narrow-minded nationalism, and above all, it represents the light against the reactionary barbarianism symbolized under the name of ISIS.

The fact that the USA, France or any other imperialist powers have been forced, for the sake of their own interests, to begin military operations against ISIS, even though ISIS is the proxy of their NATO ally Turkish state, doesn't extinguish the features of the revolution. Whether there is USA or other coalition forces or not, Minbic would still have been entered, or Raqqa would still have been marched at some point. Because ISIS is the biggest threat to Rojava. So far, thousands of our martyrs and wounded comrades were not lost during a war against the Syrian government or with other regional reactionary states. It was against ISIS, so yes, while we are fighting with them, it’s not an issue for the jets or drones of the imperialists, for their own interests, to carry out strikes. We consider this mandatory and temporary tactical military relation while both knowing and preparing ourselves for one day those jets might come to hit us too.

It is understandable that some of our friends, whose words and actions stand by the revolution, have some worries concerning the possible intentions of the imperialists. Yes, we are talking about imperialists here and indeed they do not 'help' because of their sympathy for Kurds or Arabs. They have their own interests, which just happened to match with those of the Kurds for a short time now. The imperialists have both ideological and political problems with the existing revolutionary leadership and the will that leads it; and these are not that kind of problems which can be overcome by a bunch of tactical military collaboration or jet sorties. Weakening the revolution, making it dependent on their economic aid, making it follow their line; these are their objectives. But they have not met their objectives: if this revolution were in support of Barzani and his capitalist, collaborationist ‘answer’ for the Kurds, then Rojava would have already been recognized internationally. We believe that one should talk in the light of these truths and carry the responsibility of words. What is expected from progressive and revolutionary forces is this.

And besides, so far I've not heard of any “leftist” jet that has been stopped from striking ISIS. No one should have any doubt that we would never prevent any of those hitting ISIS and its follower Turkish State with bullets or rockets, or forget those, even with a stone. There is no one standing in the way of those willing to fight, to struggle, to raise the anti-imperialism flag; either here or wherever they are!

For us, internationalist comrades coming here with their individual initiative in order to do something for the revolution are a thousand fold more precious than the chatterers talking big. With this chance, I would like to greet and commemorate all those international warriors that evaluated the revolution and the process correctly and turned their faces towards Rojava, came and fought, were martyred, wounded, or arrested. We salute them.

To what extent do you participate in the management of the economical and political life in the assemblies or other sorts of political structures? What is the mission that you have undertaken in these areas? To which problems have you brought solutions or are aiming to do so?

In Rojava, there is an organized life in regard to economy and politics. There are a variety of organizations established in every field of life; autonomous canton management, Tev-Dem, Kongra-Star, assemblies, communes, workers' unions, etc. Within all these organizations and parallel to them, there are women organizations as equals. We cannot say that all of these are playing their optimum roles or working perfectly but it's certain that there are lots of organizations through which people, and women especially, are able to defend their rights or express themselves in various ways. As a component and cadre of the revolution, even though we have limited forces, we carry out different works to make these organizations functional, to play their roles and be embraced by the masses.

There are communist representatives within some decision-making institutions at cantonal level, as well as in cantonal assemblies and units dealing with the organizational works. Likewise in the other various platforms, we, as communists, discuss our opinions and make proposals.

What is important, bringing up views and suggestions about the processes and submit these to the masses in a socialist perspective. It is somewhat we are trying to achieve. Communist cadres working in various institutions carry their suggestions to the agenda of the institutions which they are one of the components and lift these suggestions to decision level. Again, some campaigns and move ideas become topics there and they are put as duties for the institutions to make them embraced by the masses. The campaigns I've just mentioned are like that for example.

While these are mainly organized by communists, they are also supported and practiced by the parties and organizations gathered there. Distributing communiques together, organizing panels, institutional visits, mass meetings, graffiti and poster hanging are all being carried out collectively, with as many groups and parties as we can include. Meetings are held in the communes. We propose daily life issues of laborers and also political issues of revolution for the agenda. We are struggling against some cases of ideological degeneration, we are making suggestions to expand women's revolution. For example, recently, a campaign for the masses to understand the federal system had been adopted at the level of the cantonal decision making bodies and the need for an overall campaign was accepted. So now, a campaign about this matter is going on across all cantons. Furthermore, while we have been developing different suggestions to reduce the discontent caused by the crisis of sugar and gas shortages, we kept on distributing communiques revealing ENKS and KDP reactionaries, which contribute to some of those crises, and through this we played an important role in reaching to a general decision on organizing mass demonstrations. While we do carry out discussions about fighting off bureaucratization, we also try to increase steps for institutional opportunities which will play a bridging role between the peoples; at least, within our current capacity lets us.

Being in a position that evaluates issues with a socialist patriotic perspective allows us to make objective considerations about the vanguard forces of the revolution. Although we try defend a position for ourselves as “the conscience of revolution” somehow, unfortunately we haven’t achieved an acceptable quantity of forces yet. Still, our efforts continue.

Even though it is possible to consider and discuss several issues concerning the progress of the revolution such as economic problems, peoples' requirements, women's rights and their freedom or the rights of children, nature and animals etc., some issues become a sort of a luxury under this political climate. Under conditions in which both war and embargo continue, as well as ISIS and its governmental friend in Turkey carrying out every kind of attack to attempt to strangle the revolution, we prioritize our attentions on securing and advancing the revolution, along with what we gained so far.

In respect to easing the embargo's weight, there is no need to make an extra emphasis how fertile Rojava lands are. So, as well as giving practical suggestions, we discuss and make efforts to increase the possibilities of striving collectively for issues like increasing the agricultural productivity, making a point of the duty of enlightening the masses, making the revolution internationally known and increasing solidarity, fighting ideologically and legally against war opportunists and so on.

Rising also as a “women's revolution”, how does Rojava revolution improve women's liberation struggle at this level? Which social and political perspectives, what kind of means does the women’s revolution advance with? What kind of role does the Party's KKÖ (Communist Women's Organization) put itself in to play?

Above all, in this patriarchal Middle Eastern land, it is just an honor for everyone to be part of a revolution which argues the issues like a women’s army, women will, equal representation, co-chairmanship, a women’s police force, women's communes, women’s courts and hundreds of articles of law siding with women. These alone enough to express what is happening here in Rojava as a revolution! The primary field that gives both democratic and libertarian character to our revolution is the field of women liberation. It is true that there are still some serious problems existing in practical terms. Women still have to fight and be on the alert within areas like culture, daily life and politics due to five thousand years of male supremacy. However the existing rights and freedoms, and how they are embraced by women here cannot even be compared with those in any other country. We cannot use the patriarchal capitalist countries as a criterion, as in many ways we have already surpassed them. The bar cannot drop down below the main acquisitions of women's liberation struggle and socialism. Of course, including the communist women, woman constructors of Rojava revolution won't let it happen.

The communist women, with their limited forces, are trying to extend our KKÖ's perspectives among women. Our woman comrades are quite active with their analysis and proposals about campaigns or term planning, as well the organization of some special days like 8th of March or 25th of November. Before, we had carried on duties in Mala-Jin (women’s house, women-only places in each neighborhood), founding a women’s press, and now we carry out works in women’s communes and umbrella organizations.. This foundation of female solidarity set us in good steed to do organizational and educational work among younger women and domestic laborers. Then we could advance the women’s revolution together with them.

I can state the recent developments in this regard as such: in the social contract of the Democratic Federal System of Northern Syria, which has been subjected to significant debates, the voice of women is reflected on a large scale. During both the preparation process and the negotiation phase, it was the women whom were most active. “Co-chairmanship practice” was brought to the federal system. Likewise egalitarian laws siding with women were secured by the federation.

All these are the expressions of which the gains of Rojava women revolution are directly reflected on the federal system and extended towards the region.

Our duties therefore include making proposals and bringing a mass basis for these proposals concerning issues like the education of whole society, men in particular, deepening the legal level of the revolution which has gained so far, and spreading this to whole world by developing women’s alliances both regionally and internationally.

In what aspects has the Rojava revolution experience improved and enriched your party's theoretical and political understanding? What kind of effects and contributions has this experience brought to the communists of Kurdistan, the ones of Turkey, international warriors and organizations that supports the revolution?

Well, I'm not sure if I would be able to answer them all. But first of all, Rojava revolution allowed us to widen our revolutionary horizon and to gain some concrete experiences arising from being inside an actualized revolution. We have experienced all the developments which were encountered in every country that made their revolution, such as the masses' filling streets, seizing the government agencies, dual power situations, people's taking up arms, women's becoming half of the revolution, militarization, being besieged, embargo etc.. And we have been equipped with those experiences in a particular manner of Rojava Kurdistan.

Under the conditions which masses of workers and working class movement are absent in a classical term, but there is the leadership of guerrilla instead, the liberation of an historically colonized country of Rojava Kurdistan by seizing upon an emerged opportunity with a choice of the “third way” is a quite instructive experience. In the case of reading certain historical developments correctly and developing correct tactics, you can create a big leap with a limited force and turn this situation into a revolution, it all depends on the existence of prepared organized forces. This is one of the significant points that the revolution taught us.

It is also meaningful to emphasize one of the issues of the strategy, the phenomenon of “indirect reserves” in the context of what Rojava practice had taught us. It becomes quite concrete here in Rojava to make use of the objective opportunities arising from governing crisis of imperialist and reactionary states correctly. Utilizing the conflicts and contradictions among sovereigns for revolutionary purposes has showed not only the possibility of a revolutionary subject's growing by leaps and bounds but also doing politics without being in a reserve force position for the imperialists. By benefiting from these conflicts and contradictions and doing tactical maneuvers, the revolution has both gained strength and also emancipated from the besieged conditions.

Claims about the inevitableness of religious and national wars which the imperialist and capitalist barbarianism theorize under the name of “civilization wars”, are replied by the practice of federation and cantons that raises the unity and solidarity of peoples in Rojava. What is trying to be achieved here in Rojava, where the people get organized in assemblies, united in communes and thus create the conditions of direct democracy through their grassroots organizations, is bringing theory in practice, putting flesh on the bones of it by action.

Lastly, what kind of a call regarding Rojava revolution would you like to make to our peoples?

Rojava is a revolution of a rising hope against the despair of colonialism, racism and sectarian politics. In this smothered blood and cruelty, Rojava is where our peoples can get a breath of fresh air. It is egalitarian, libertarian. Although it is far from completed yet, what it has accomplished so far has already taken its part in this stage of history.

Let yourself come here, embrace and join the revolution. Let yourself struggle with us to turn this revolution into the socialist front of the 21st century.

This revolution belongs to the peoples. It belongs to those of oppressed and yes, most of all it belongs to women. Do something for it. Give political, material and spiritual support to this revolution!

Rojava is a beautiful place for those who are willing to be purified from the rust and dirt of the imperialist capitalist world. It is a humble spring of joy for humanity.

Here we have a revolution for all those willing to be emancipated from the wage slavery, which they can call as their own. No matter how much we tell, how much we are proud of, it won't be enough. Let's finish the interview by saying come and reach the honor of being a part of revolution or we better say the last words in our own language:

Bijî têkoşîna rûmet û azadîyê! Bijî Şoreşa Rojava! (Long live the struggle of freedom and honor! Long live the Rojava Revolution!)